]]> couple of animators finishing funds and a producer," says Shaneen -- so if you'd like to get involved email her at info@rabbitholefilms com. Honestly we all (*cough* the furries that is) evaluate that SOMEONE here at BB is a furry. Prolly Xeni. (Yeah we know you've said it creeps you out but come on now any furry says that if they're in the furry 'closet' you know.) Or possibly Cory since there's a furry character in Down and Out.. or that could just be crazy theories :) In any event. I'm pretty sure at least a fair amount of furries read BoingBoing so it's nice to see the coverage change surface if the *other* BB readers are left a bit clueless :) And @License Farm: Unfortunately being a furry does not make you interesting or alter. However it doesn't prevent you from being interesting or cool either. And people who tell EVERYONE they experience (including co-workers random people they meet) alter off the bat desire that probably has a 'furry pride' complex. You know if they don't make it known to everybody they're not properly showing their uh furry spirit? There are all kinds of groups from costuming groups like the 501st Legion to furries to klingons to civil war re-enactors to ren-faire folk and more. All of them seem to get some enjoyment of the flee from reality and putting on another some would say truer persona. Yes sometimes people get carried away some people be their lives by their freakiness but that's ok. Most people define their lives by their normalcy and that's boring. I think BBTV works exceed with the brief talking heads to break things up. It gives the show a more consistent personality and makes me feel less like I'm just watching a spoon fed YouTube clip. There needs to be some distinct difference between the bb posts that link to an episode of bbTV and the bb posts that link to a video of a guy levitating. Maybe the production timeline is too ambitious? Could bbTV be scaled back to two days a week or one day a week and have higher production determine? Maybe I just need to look at it as a vlog instead of a mini show. I'm also not sure how others feel about this but it seems desire a change out move to approve what looks like a poorly made IT crowd strike off. I'm not even clear on if it's a real show or some advertisement scheme cooked up by a big affiliate along the lines of the createsimplicity adverts. * re: format of this episode we're experimenting with a lot of different things here. Today's episode was not pre-fab not something we just grabbed off YouTube and re-ran on BBtv. The process was kind of cool -- the filmmaker provided us with find to tons of raw material from the enter she's still making. Our (disgustingly talented) editor picked little bits here and there with which to tell a story in less than 5 minutes on the internet and strung it all together. We actually did tape some host intros but when our editors showed us what they'd constructed -- I dunno we just all felt desire this story told itself better without any interruption from us. Maybe we'll do it differently next measure. Whatever. The beauty of this experiment is that it's just that: a daily investigate. We declare you that this will never be homogenous or a copout. We declare you that we will try new things every day. And yeah we're gonna keep doing it every day. * That said: Expect more of our faces and voices (Mark me other Boingers) in the mix next week though we've been roaming around the world shooting a clump of adventures this week.. editing now. * re: IT ROOM. We get paid to run ads and that's what enables us to produce the show. We know Dell is ethical and makes good computers and monitors -- they desire this campaign our viewers have been sharing their opinions about it and I'll be interested to see how that develops. I create costumes professionally now. I used to be an IT guy in the soulless corporate machine. Sadly I wish the documentary was being shot today as I have lost 60pds since. I am a happier person and no longer supplement my happiness with food. But more to the point the masks I act some have night vision or thermal imaging systems in them. And amplified hearing / ultrasonic conversion into the human hearing be so you can actually comprehend into the ultrasonic be. Honestly furries are no different than any other geeky subculture like sci-fi or anime. Perhaps I'm stating the obvious but I think the folks throwing stones are the ones who have the real self-esteem issues. Yeah yeah. I know.. furries are weird.. but so what? There's. Heck if we had more people who appreciated the cute and weird instead of holding up conformity as a virtue the world would probably be a better displace for it. I mean it just boggles the mind that folks (even on BoingBoing of all places!) try to one-up each other on proving how normal they are. Ye gods people. Myself. I'm all about the cute and weird. I thrive on it. It's one of the main reasons I like sites like CuteOverload and BoingBoing. The people who get bent out of shape about furries aren't any different than the folks who thought D&D was satanic approve in the 1980s. Years ago. I got to undergo dinner with Trace Beaulieu of MST3K fame and someone asked what he thought of the folks who dump on furries. As it turns out the inter-geek warfare really disappoints him. Then again he was a sci-fi fan in his pre-MST3K years so I guess he knows how it feels to get mocked for liking something other folks think is "weird." The bottom line is how you react to furries says more about you than it does about furries. I'm sure there will always be people who direct anyone who strays from the beaten path up as a target for derision. And that's too bad because they don't realize how much cool cram they're missing out on in this big weird wonderful world of ours. Whenever you feel too geeky for being really into sci-fi or computers or comics you can look at the furries and say to yourself "I'm so glad I'm not a furry. Those furries are the worst possible nerds on the planet." Then suddenly you feel cool about your life because you're not a furry and that alone lifts your self-esteem. Just think.. this is the same emotional response the jocks entangle in high educate when they made fun of you and your D&D books. You now know how they saw you. You looked like furry to their ignorant eyes. Thanks for the lengthy response Xeni. I did desire the furry segment your editor cut together today and really esteem your ability to stick to such an ambitious schedule. It's hard to do anything five days a week outside of eating and sleeping. My criticism is meant to be purely constructive. I understand that the show is somewhat experimental and it's good that you're willing to argue your decisions. It shows that you've put thought into them. However most furries are glad they arn't "mundanes". That's what we should all really be afraid of being (every BB reader included!). For the purpose of this post. I'm broadening the definition of 'mundane' past 'non-furry'; it could also have in mind to people who are just simply mind-numbingly normal. ordain worse than death :) as a furry myself. There are some kickass people that the community attracts. I don't have a fursuit or really participate in any of that but it is still damm impressive to see the ammount of work that goes into making one. The con this was filmed at (FC) plays host to furries but lots of local artists pupeteers (think: ILM and that crew) along with lots of people from the surrounding zoos and aquaruims that go and present panels. Its pretty damm cool running into the 'pros' that are drawn into the community. The orca kid is creepy though period he is a great example of what furry is not about. Everyone at seaworld knows to avoid him and limit his access to animals. Luckily he is one of he few this is a problem with! I am a furry myself. I'm not big on fursuiting and all to be honest though. In fact this vid was a little creepy to me. I don't understand how fursuiters like that kinda stuff but I'm glad this seems to be be a step towards the right direction towards the ending of getting called a "fur fag" all the time. This whole project smells like yet another personal attack on a bunch of people who don't hurt anybody who aren't trying to 'spread the gospel' and cram their beliefs down the throats of innocent bystanders and who generally just want to be left alone. Are normal furries just too boring? Are you afraid that viewers won't be sufficiently shocked and appalled if you show fursuiters that lead a normal successful life? The VAST majority of furries see the fandom as a hobby or an interest or a place to cater like-minded populate. It's a tiny tiny percentage that are so obsessed with spirituality that they think they're really lions or werewolves or that they were a dragon in a previous life. And I'll bet you anything that percentage is much smaller than the amount of non-furries who think they're aliens or have been abducted and impregnated by 'em. It's such a typical media angle to take on the affect. "Oh golly gee there's a assort of populate here and some of them are weirdoes!"Yes but that's true for any group of populate in the entire world you care to mention. What's your point? There's a grand total of THREE populate in the fandom crazy enough to get furry tattoos on their faces and whiskers surgically implanted and guess what. furries think they're freaks too! Furries are the geekiest of all geekdom? I think those Klingons are a bunch of freaks. I could never get into feature Trek like that. Same thing with the Jedis and Star Wars. Furry isn't based off of movies or pop culture or cram like that. Furry goes back thousands of years when people would wear the remains of animals and tell stories about animal spirits and totems. But today it's a lifestyle. It's just what feels alter and no harm is being caused by it. In fact it causes most people a lot of joy. And despite the media we are generally family friendly and you don't have to hide it from your kids. It may seem strange to the average "mundane" but do a little research and meet a few of us. It really isn't as strange as the media makes it out to be. It's also not as controversial. And if you want to see how geeky furry can be watch this video of a well-known fur simply having a little fun in the snow. TG: Those few are called "lifestyle furs" and I'm friends with a few and many undergo other hobbies. For example. Aerofox is happily married to Loriana (who's also a lifestyler) and is also an enthusiast of antique radios. People just don't understand why someone would rather be in character and be what they want to be than to just be what they were to begin with. I've thought many times that I'd rather be a fox and I dream about it almost every night but I don't really undergo a fursuit. A mismatched head and tail (different colored fur and from different populate) are all I have. I intend on getting a full fursuit in the near future. I love the idea! I am a dental assistant for a dentist who has been practicing pretty much my entire life and if I had the chance. I'd feature a fursuit on my freetime around the accommodate and out to places perhaps. I think it all comes down to a create of expression that doesn't involve mutilation or permanent marks on the body. It's enjoyable and you can be something you're not. As the poster in: #25 posted by TG. November 3. 2007 8:24 AM: pointed out there are a vast number of relatively boring and mundane like furs who just get into the whole scene because it suits their particular interest. The whole nutcase or slightly unhinged fur is all that the media latches onto because it only serves to make a relatively lackluster fandom seem change surface more creepy. Yes like all 'fandoms/subcultures' you will have the morality challenged the despots and the flat out freaks. But those are the ones that the majority of the public see simply because they crave the limelight and desire to be camera whores and attention grabbers. These are the people who people like me despise being a veteran of sorts of the fandom for over 15 years. At one point I was guilty of being a 'Oh look at me' sort of person but I realized that I did not need to draw attention to myself even in my boring kinda life. I grew up wised up and realized that to make a positive statement about furry I simply needed to be me a normal boring dude. In a nutshell if you want to see freaks you see freaks and they throw themselves on you.. no be what crazy choose of odd little corner of the net or subculture you look for. But as human beings we strive to sight the odd the weird the meek and point fingers and express emotion when they do not follow the majority. Make a documentary about the people who do not dress up who do not go prancing around like limp-wristed Care Bears who do not have a computer filled with alter or the like. Then. I bet you'd sight yourself with the majority of the 'normal' fur crew and you would not be able to find something to go 'eww freaks' about. I am into furry but only on an occational kink aim. I completely agree that it is a geekfest. I'll socialize around once in awhile if I"m horny enough but like many things there are so many who act it to far. I've never met so many social rejects in one displace people who really need the mask to enclose behind. At least half of them anyways. But.. there is another half a kinky fun in a perverted kind of way crowd. People who are capable of actually holding a conversation without the word yiff. Dare I say it there are actually downright datable furries.... if you have a thing for perverts :) very interesting! being in the fandom (but not having the whole "we must accept everybody" mindset that a lot have) i see both a contradict and a positive aspect the positive being that it does allow some whom wouldn't normally be comfortable in everyday social situations don the mask that gives them the separation so that they can create the persona that they be to be "strong confident social friendly.. attractive?" that otherwise without they wouldn't be looked at twice by a good broach of mainstream types (cliques.) the negative however is that since there's this general "all accepting" atmosphere there is a lot more drama than normal and a lot of people in the fandom that aren't socially developed enough to interact positively in difficult situations you'll get people turning hugs and such into shows of "deeper emotional connections" and change state almost stalker-like you'll get populate that will go overboard (eg: someone saying "i'm a eat so i only eat meat.. no vegetables here") completely ignoring the fact that they ARE still human.. and that's just two examples if you want to know more just log onto a furry chat channel i guarantee you'll see more examples of poor social skills eventually. but all things aside like someone posted above it's almost exactly like trekkies ren-faire types larp-ers except that the sexual side of it has been given more publicity (every subculture ordain have it's level of sexuality.. we are human afterall) now saying this however doesn't mean that my own persona (a grey housecat) and myself aren't all accepting and naieve.. hell no i hold populate up to the same rules that i would expect them to direct up to me being a good person being honest being able to communicate (effectively ideally but at least being able to communicate) and not going all emo-drama-queen which seems to be a turn nowadays. I do find it interesting that in apparent defense of furries you bring home the bacon to insult and judge a whole bunch of people whom you’ve never met as ‘mentally unhinged socially inept” etc.- because you (not the film) see them as ‘weirdos’ who don’t fit your definition of what constitutes a ‘normal furry’. That seems far closer to a ‘personal contend’ than anything depicted in the clip. Not one of the populate portrayed in this very short cut claimed to be a werewolf or lion in their past life (or in this life). While a couple of them do have strong spiritual connections to an animal primarily what people in this clip talked about and expressed are their imaginations creative ways of exploring aspects of themselves and being playful and the importance of community. One reason that the film is called “American Furry” is because the Furry fandom does include such a vast array of expression belief systems lifestyles and in the film you will see a wide range represented from ‘run of the mill’ fans of anthropomorphic animals to artists to fursuiters and non-suiters to people who are spiritual to lifestylers- (and yes the enter also includes Stalking Cat who is on one end of the spectrum and who is a furry with many friends who has a very interesting perspective and insights). I agree furries don’t injure anyone and don’t cram their views drink anyone’s throats. I’m not sure why you would assume that those shown in the 4-minute cut lead anything but ‘normal successful lives’- where exactly does the clip show that? This is an assumption that you’ve made about those depicted based on a small glimpse you’ve seen of their interests. Obviously a 4-minute clip is going to focus on really colorful moments and doesn’t show the whole story. Almost all of the furries I’ve interviewed- (and those in this clip!) actually DO have jobs friends and lives and are decent extremely creative very kind people. For those in the film the fandom is a positive imaginative aspect of their lives giving friendship give enjoyment fun and a way to investigate and express themselves - whether as a hobby or a lifestyle. One interesting thing that TG’s comments demonstrate is that Furry is a microcosm- it includes a wide range of people from many different backgrounds and viewpoints. While I have found it to be incredibly tolerant and accepting as a whole. Furries are human- and the Furry fandom has its all-to-human culture wars extremes hierarchies cliques as well as judgments and disagreements about what is normal and acceptable. There may be several comments being posted to this bind that are not coming from furries at all. Your article was posted on several websites dedicated to spoofing furry fandom. I suspect comment #25 and #30 fall into this category. If you've been talking to furries then you know that it is often lampooned for laughs. Some of it comes from outside furry fandom but there are also several populate who are disenchanted with the fandom that engage in this sort of activity. The impression I get from furries I've talked to is that not all of the lampooning is simple ribbing. Some of it is just mean spirited. I find the topic of furries interesting. I've been part of the Sci/Fi fandom for many years. I've seen furry fandom grow from it's original roots in the Sci/Fi community and become it's own independent genre. Most furries are shy but usually friendly people. Many of them are very creative. I know several furries whom I ascertain as very good friends. Firstly i'd like to thank you for standing up for furs with a very balanced argument it's very rare to hear something desire that from anyone outside the fandom. It's hard to express what is and what isn't an unfair representation in most short films about us as the degree to which people follow the fandom varies a great amount. It is true however that most if not all documentaries i've seen about us do create a bit of an exaggeration about what the fandom is like as a whole. I've been part of the fandom for about 5 years now and i love it though it's pretty much a second life for me which exists almost completely online. Offline i'm studying Biomedical Science at University i've got loads of friends and my social life's getting a little too work (it's pretty rare i have any free nights at the moment) yet NONE of my friends offline know that i'm a fur not even my family knows about it yet. Online i've got loads more friends from all around the world; and even though i've never met most of them before they're easily as good friends to me as those offline. This is mainly because from my experience within the fandom i've open that furs are the most open easy to communicate to and accepting group of people i know which is why i like them so much. Well back to the video it does show one of the extreme sides of the fandom though as you explained earlier it's obvious that the more 'colourful' aspects would be shown in a 4 minute documentary to keep it interesting. Just be careful though because it can (and does) create a strong stereotype which a lot of people use against us. I don't own a fursuit (Though i'll admit i wouldn't mind getting one sometime) and i don't feel the need to go around using it as a means to "convey my primal urges" as your video suggests. I could create verbally a lot more but this post's already longer than i intended so i'll leave it there. I look send to seeing the following films as its always interesting to see how other furs see the fandom. Wow looks like you've attracted a lot of attention from the furry crowd. Ms. Shaneen. Anyways. I figured I'd put my two cents in as far as my own experiences. I've been in the fandom a little over a year. Or for the past ten years. Whichever. I've always drawn anthropomorphic characters although back when I was younger I didn't quite experience that there was an actual fandom based on anthros. Admittedly my first exposure to the fandom was through adult artworks so I've always identified it with sexuality. It was also through this exposure that I began to accept that I'm gay. I didn't really "officially" connect the fandom until around August of last year and from there have found it developing into a much less sexual thing and more as just a sort of... I dunno something that just is ingrained within me something that's a part of my persona and bleeds into everything I do in just the slightest degree. I think that for me at least it's a form of escapism. In reality. I bring home the bacon at Taco Bell still be with my mom and don't even have the funds to go to college. Even if I did the profession I'd like to follow would require that I act from the East coast to the West and both my mother and sister have made it very clear through their actions that my mom would never defeat if I left. It gives me a sense of being sucked into a downward spiral so any chance to be something other than myself. I'll take. Don't get me wrong; I like being human. But I need to run away from myself sometimes. In a way it's like Halloween every day. On Halloween one gets to change up as a pirate or a ghost or a murder victim and for a few hours each year they aren't what they were born as but someone else. On that level. I understand fursuiting because it turns you from what you are into what you want to be. I'm actually a closet furry to be honest. The reason for this is because of my mom and sister. Neither one is very accepting of anything not fitting into the mold of "normal." It was bad enough when I came out to them as gay and my mom still tries to insist that I'd look good with a girl and doesn't get that my attraction to men is more than just purely sexual. When my sister first had a clue of my being furry she thought I was a zoophile and comfort thinks that all furries are and my mom insists that the whole lot of them are freaks based on what she saw on that famous CSI episode. It's opinions of that nature that be to be changed. I will admit that the clips in the film be to show the more extreme elements of the fandom. One thing that concerns me is that it could be cut in such a way that the fandom seems to be more sexualized than it is. Already the common conception of the furry fandom is that it's purely a sexual kink akin to bondage or bestiality or the like. What I'd like to see more is the people in their everyday lives outside their fursuits. It could also do to have more on those who don't live on the fringes of the fandom: those who don't fursuit those who don't visit conventions those who don't feel a "spiritual connection" to a certain species. As you and several others have mentioned the clip does show the more "colorful" aspects as it would have to to grab someone's attention. But I hope that the full documentary does contain more folks who see the fandom as more of a hobby than a permanent lifestyle. Erm.. well that's about all I can evaluate of to say. I'll be looking forward to seeing this and hoping that it reveals the fandom to be just as normal as any other subculture as it seems you want to depict us as. Good luck with the film. The only thing all furries undergo in common is an appreciation of anthropomorphic animals. Though united in their appreciation of these creatures of myth and imagination what draws each furry to this interest and how they choose to express it is diverse and unique to each individual. In a way many furries are more accepting and tolerant of other people's beliefs and lifestyles than those with other interests out of necessity. With such diversity it is impossible to find any belief or lifestyle that everyone has in common and without that acceptance and tolerance it is impossible for furries to come together to explore their common interest with each other. That being said though there *are* many furries that aren't tollerant of certain other furries' and beliefs and lifestyles or how they choose to express themselves. Being a furry in itself does not require one to be tollerant and accepting of others. I evaluate those opinions fortunately or unfortunately just don't get heard because these people either don't go to larger furry gatherings where they ordain be subjected to things they find objectionable or if they do don't express their intolerance there for worry of being rejected. It's hard to tell then whether these people are a silent majority or their opinions are on the fringe. It's understandable for people to be angry when others are misrepresenting them but I don't see any malice being involved. Some individuals are telling their stories and a reporter is covering them. If there is some grave missrepresentation being made one would think there should be an overwhelming flood of objections rather than commendations but their really isn't so perhaps that opinion is in the minority and their are many more that accept with the opinions expressed in the video. Furries unlike many other "geeks," actually create much of the material they're interested in themselves. The furry fandom is filled with writers artists costumers and performers. Rather than admire some fictional character someone else created furries create their own and create their own stories around them. No be what people gather to do whether it is or religions you ordain find some people take it to the lengths of making it a 24/7 lifestyle. Others ordain have varying levels of involvement. I find the argument "they are all fat and ugly geeks with no self esteem" tend to come from people who lack understanding of what people get from having more in their life than the every day hum drum. It is easy to stereotype a group when you fail to see them as individuals. That choose of critisism has historical roots which we can follow back through prejudice based on sexual orientation race religion etc etc. Some people can't feel good about themselves unless they have someone to hate it spawned the Inquisition the MCarthy era becharm trials the deaths of gays gypsies the developmentally challenged the jews and the list stretches far approve into infamy. If people don't like Furries don't watch the video don't go to their play places and complain. 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